No, thats not a Gay Festival. Its Muslim guys hanging out.

I feel that I might lack the requisite language and intellectual prowess to write about my observations of being a Muslim guy in an American Muslim experience where certain norms of male behavior seem out of sync with Western norms (majority) and from an outside perspective norms of Islamic traditions.   Part of the difficulty…

The image above is from McLeods Dalstones Superstore’s exhibit, click on the image to see more pictures and judge for yourself. Notice the placement of hands and fingers, along with the proximity of their bodies.  It would be something that a LBGT magazine would run, but these are purely straight Turkish men, lacking their behavior. In our Western norms this sort of behavior/exhibition is extremely homosexual.

I feel that I might lack the requisite language and intellectual prowess to write about my observations of being a Muslim guy in an American Muslim experience where certain norms of male behavior seem out of sync with Western norms (majority) and from an outside perspective norms of Islamic traditions.   Part of the difficulty in writing this piece is also my own feelings of discomfort about discussing the topic so publicly, sexuality is a sensitive topic that bring out the conservative in everyone.  Writing on this issue presents a very real possibility of being labelled in certain ways internally by Muslims as well as externally by outsiders, and I abhor labels.  But I find that the topic is important and I don’t shy away from overly controversial topics, I just choose to write about them when I feel I have a grasp on how to present and discuss the ideas therein to others.

The first time I was confronted with the East-West contradiction, around expressed male sexuality, was at the age of 11, while visiting Pakistan.  I thought all the guys holding hands in public around the parks and shops of Karachi were Gay, but it turned out that wasn’t the case.  The practice of holding hands, in fact “male on male physical affection” is a ubiquitous norm in Eastern cultures, not just Pakistan.   You can understand my confusion, having been raised in America where such interactions were considered a homosexual norm, prescribing a sexual preference onto a boy/man exhibiting that behavior, made my observation disconcerting.  Further, men dressed as women would parade around the city collecting money and singing and dancing on happy occasions, such open transvestite, but later I realized it was the only cultural and socially accepted norm for Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgender’s to express themselves in society and still be part of the main social fabric.

I am not talking about sexuality in terms of “intercourse” but rather the expression of ones gender, through accepted norms encompassing behavior, male to male interaction and the idea of masculinity, what it means to be a man in society.   I would think that the Western notions of masculinity and male interaction would be the behavioral norm amongst Muslims given the strict prohibition on homosexuality, along with the attendant expression of that identity, in Islam.  But that just isn’t the case as I later experienced amongst the Muslim guys I interacted with at the Masjid, in organizations and when generally hanging out.  The Western masculine norms shift and become more flexible, without taking on the homosexuality of the identity that is so closely associated in the West to that behavior.  Thats what makes me believe that Islam, through culture, actually does offer a very flexible conception of human sexuality and/or male masculinity.  However, I fear that its not as “liberal” as LGBT activists would like.

Going back to the holding hands in public example. Elisabeth Thoburn, a humanities instructor at Washtenaw Community College, visited Pakistan in 2008, her photography  taking in everyday street scenes.  She was asked about the pictures she captured of men holding hands (here) as being a sign of open homosexuality in Pakistan.  She said that “Men holding hands or hugging in public is an indication of a very deep friendship. Male relationships are relationships of equals, so they walk hand in hand. They wouldn’t make it through the market if they were gay.”
This cultural paradigm is supposedly explored by photo-artist Jamie McLeod in the Dalston Superstore exhibition of his black and white portraits of Turkish Wrestlers, “Ottoman Fight Club”. (See Picture above)

The pictures look a 100 years old but the oldest one was from 8 years ago.  Mcleod’s images were taken during the annual Kirkpinar tournament, held in Edirne, Turkey.  It is the oldest continuously running sporting competition in the world, held there since 1362, which makes the whole presentation even more interesting in context of this post.

McLeod explains how he observed Turkish men and boys interacting with one another, massaging and caressing and laying together while resting between their matches, using each other as living pillows.  The behavior/interaction is one that isn’t considered “homosexual” nor does it bring into question the a guys hetrosexuality.  (Maybe it might have its root in Greek/Roman culture which was known for a more liberal views on sexuality, which then was normalized through Islamic cultural norms of “brotherhood”) This type of male-male interaction is actually  not abnormal, its pretty common, seen as a form of “brotherly love” amongst Muslims (such as holding hands), as well as American Muslim guys (the double- or triple- peck on the cheek with your lips, while saying “Eid Mubarak!’- I refuse to do this, is an example of what is an acceptable norm, but there are others).  McLeod comments on how the reaction Westerners have when they see these pictures:

“When Westerners see my photos they normally ask me if this is a gay festival and I laugh and say, sadly, no. It’s amazing to think just because men can express open affection towards each other through the way we would normally express it in heterosexuality, we conclude they are homosexual of which most of them are not.”

That type of behavior is something that is common amongst American Muslim guys, albeit with certain degree of uncomfortability, therefore, far more suppressed.  My own perception of male norms arises from my American experience so the behavior, to a degree, made me uncomfortable and took longer to get used to.

For example guys slapping each other’s butts while wearing spandex pants, in the context of American Football it is completely acceptable (macho-straight) behavior, at Pride Parades and outside, not so much.  Again I believe that Muslim countries (again, Pakistan leading the way), and amongst Muslims, “sexuality” is far more complicated (giving it flexibility) then the Western conceptions (simplification for the purposes of granting legal status, therefore constricting it?) of human sexuality.

There is a need for more discussion on this issue, beyond the simplification and cultural normative answers amongst Muslims.  I believe we need a framework to better express the behavior.  Here’s a great observation in an excerpt from @UCLAThinkers post:

It is easy to judge the ‘other,’ but an inward look at American sexuality leads me to believe that, while not always discussed openly, the culture in the Middle East provides greater flexibility of sexual identity than in the West. Westerners are still battling Victorian ideals like monogamy, sexual and gender stagnancy as well as a biased and elitist approach (whether you are on the left or right) to anyone the majority does not consider properly conformed to ‘our’ ways (read Muslims, Arabs).

For example, Mexican Machismo culture and its attendant societal problems, is not limited to the Mexican community, each community carries with it its ideas of male identity, place and status.  Muslims have never had a reason to explicitly lay out masculinity and sexuality because for centuries they lived in homogeneous cultures where the norms were widely accepted and perpetuated.  But as a minority and living in a multicultural, more globalizing world we need a critical  analysis of this behavior, which is supported by scholarly discussions and academic research, potentially giving a framework to a paradigm outside of the Western construct.

Responses to “No, thats not a Gay Festival. Its Muslim guys hanging out.”

  1. sameena

    Hehe. I guess I’m a little more immature than I thought cause I giggled like a schoolgirl when reading your article.

  2. usman

    Interesting. Guys holding hands in Pakistan is not much different than American football players slapping butts. Somehow the holding hands to me is a little more…strange

  3. via facebook.com

    Sometimes I wonder if fanatical Muslim men have more perverse minds than others by ascribing a sexual connotation to everything. Why do fanatics freak out to a strand of hair showing on a woman or even a woman’s face? Are they that easily aroused? Do they not have self control? And is the anger misdirected at women instead of themselves? Why such a violent reaction to such things when the role model they claim to have (the Prophet (s)) didn’t treat people with harshness.

    Maybe we all need a serious check on our nafs and mindset.

    (giggle giggle nonetheless)

  4. Jeanann

    I love this piece! I just came back from Lebanon, and I caught myself observing these differences in affection. Although I am well in-tuned with my Lebanese culture, I couldn’t help but feel like I was caught off guard during some of my observations. I do credit that feeling to my western influence…
    The reality is we are more open to affection, as a whole. Whether men or women. That is the essence of our culture. However, because we grew up i in a western environment we are quick to judge a friendly gesture.

  5. affad shaikh

    thanks to all for contributing to the discussion. Lots of people are reading this and checking out the post, so I am sure people have way more opinions/observations then they are willing to share. I just wanted to note that thats a really interesting tangent about super religious people and imposing morality on a population/individual. Though i think the “discomfort” is beyond just being super religious guys, its the western mindset that says that type of emotional/physical interaction/response is not appropriate because Gay people behave that way.

  6. affad shaikh

    some one from bahrain forwarded me this picture of Arab men holding hands in a mall- http://sasinsaudi.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/december-064.jpg read the blog too: http://sasinsaudi.wordpress.com/2007/04/08/queer-ways/

  7. markphilliplive

    Nice job Affad! Really interesting, I know Ive often wondered what the heck the deal was..this gives good perspective on some widely misunderstood cultural differences. Well done!

  8. affad shaikh

    thanks mr. scotian, trust me its something thats struck me odd for a while and i just didnt know how to go about understanding it. since i sort of understand where all of it comes from, i thought i share my epiphany with others.

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    1. Blake

      I am an atheist and I come from a background of science and skepticism, so I disagree vehemently with a number of the conclusions the author reaches here. Nonetheless, at the same time, I am an American and part Arab, and I feel a deep sense of longing envy for the freedom of affectionate expression openly given between men who are friends in the Muslim world. Through whatever accident of historical contingency has afforded men in that part of the world the liberty to unashamedly express deep abiding friendship with one another the way they do, it is thing of great beauty and honest masculinity, and I hope those men who are able to experience it appreciate their immense fortune. For I pity men who have never felt it for themselves, their experience of manhood and camaraderie is impoverished in ways which they cannot begin to know.

      1. Socal Moslem

        Thanks Blake for you comment. I appreciate that you took the time to leave one. While we might disagree on lots of things, i do think there is always more common ground then differences. I am always looking to learn and evolve my thought process, even if there are some very foundational values/norms/morals that are non-negotiable, i still believe that its important to listen and learn.

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  12. Horrmun

    I would not discard the probability of muslim men holding hands as a form of sublimating repressed homosexuality. Depriving homosexual and bisexual men from loving the same sex is simply immoral.

    I really hope the whole Middle East get rd of islam at once and for all. Don’t fall for the trap of a psychopath who said an angel visited him.

    1. Socal Moslem

      Its nice to see how you can throw out one form of bigotry and hate for another. Regardless, I did not at all mean to imply that there is a possibility that males holding hands, could indeed, have or be expressing homosexual tendencies. Obviously, I think Ahmedinajad is completely bonkers when claiming “there are no homosexuals in Iran,” and therefore, I would disagree with anyone making such a suggestion about any part of the Muslim world. Marginalized, traumatized, and disenfranchised as this community is in Muslim countries, I did not intend to further that idea in my post. Thank you for clarifying, however, not for your hateful judgment regarding Islam or representation of the Prophet.

      1. Horrmun

        It is not bigotry when a book (quran) commands the killing of homosexual people for liking the same sex and expressing their natural need for affection, killing non-believers and vilify them as enemies or punishing people with lashes for the most irrational excuses. The Middle East has the highest rates of violation of Human Rights in the word and this is because of how strongly Islam is imposed in the region. The Middle East used to be a rich place, full of knowledge and culture that could have easily surpass Europe, but Islam has not only held the region back culturally, it has also held it back rationally. One ideology (Islam) was capable of destroying an extremely culturally rich region that had so much potential.

        Islam is violent in every sense and I am not exclusively talking about terrorist attacks in Europe or ISIS; every day you read the news of people being killed for being homosexual, the subjugation of women or people sentenced to lashes for whatever reason the quran arbitrarily deems deserving of punishement.

        Even heterosexual men are being deprived of their natural sexual needs. Men cannot meet women out of their own will. Just imagine all the stress this brings to their minds. It is unnatural to separate men and women the way Islam does.

        I hope the region one day finds peace and begins to progress and that can only be achieved without Islam.

        I have a problem with this kind of religions because they are barbaric and the proof is out there in every corner of the Middle East, but I admire pre-sialmic Middle East.

      2. Socal Moslem

        I am so fascinated to hear about the various aspects of pre-Islami Middle Was you admire, and how you reconcile with the things that aren’t admirable.

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